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  PDF w/174 WBTS scans comparing lies and revisions of JW "truth"...limited time only!!!

  by middleman in

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  hello, here's a pdf that was put together comparing many of the lies within the society's publications.

  i will have the link up for a limited time and afterwards it will be available by request-send me an email and leave yours.

  this is part one (141 pages) of two (perhaps a third) in the series being made.

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  Ultimate Reality

  Thank you for a great file. Much time and effort was spent on this; a very useful addition to all our "alternative" WT Library's.
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  When was the last NWT revision released?

  by VM44 in

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  2. bible

  does anyone know when the last revision to the new world translation was released?.

  i seriously wonder if there are any qualified bible translators left at brooklyn or patterson.

  that is assuming that there ever were any there in the first place.. there might not be anyone qualified in the watchtower organization to make any revisions at all.. the watchtower today wants lawyers, accountants and construction engineers, not people trained in biblical languages!.

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  Ultimate Reality

  Yes, 1984 was the last revision. However, I have seen scans here (have not yet checked at local KH) that they have a new edition that has "technical" changes. Specifically, they have removed the brackets, so you cannot see where that have inserted words!
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  Name one thing the WTS did for you and your family!

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  2. beliefs

  i was just thinking of all the things i did for the wts (a group of old men that live in new york whom i've never seen and never will) and what they gave me in return.. .

  what i did for the wts :.

  studied the ''truth book'' for 6 months just to get baptized.

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  Ultimate Reality

  I learned how to reason in a circular fashion.
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  The Governing Body Channels ...

  by compound complex in

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  2. friends

  someone asked a question recently about how the gb acquires new light.

  i cannot recall the title of the thread but did find this information in my file that a fellow poster put up a while back:.

  just for reference, this is from the jan 1st 2007 watchtower - "the first resurrection now under way ?".

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  Ultimate Reality

  So, the 1935 identification of the Great Crowd proves they are "spirit-directed"?

  What interests me is that the quote is recent, from 2007. I would think they should distance themselves from this concept. Most of the people identified at the historic convention where the great multitude were asked to stand up by Rutherford, ARE DEAD!

  This means they were NOT part of the Great Crowd, because they did not pass through the Great Tribulation.

  Either God, one of the 24 heavenly elders, or JF Rutherford made a mistake on timing. I wonder which one?
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 02-22-09 WT Study (JESUS PURPOSE)

  by blondie in

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  2. friends

  comments you will not hear at the 02-22-09 wt study (december 15, 2008, pages 12-16)(jesus purpose).

  review comments will be in red.

  (a) why can we say that jesus is unique in his role as the only-begotten son?

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  Thanks Blondie!

  This article continues to highlight the Society's policy that Christ is the mediator for only the 144,000. Whenever I say to someone... "the Society teaches that Christ is not our mediator", they are usually shocked.

  Let's hope a few will see through this offensive and self-serving teaching.
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  Patrick McGoohan Dies aged 80

  by Caedes in

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  2. current

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7829267.stm.

  sad news, what a great actor.

  best known for the cult tv series the prisoner..

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  Ultimate Reality

  Sad indeed. He was more than an actor and made a valuable contribution to society.
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  So I've agreed to a Bible Study, how will I get thru it without wanting to die?

  by lola28 in

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  2. friends

  no joke.

  the sister who studied with me is older and she's been having a very hard time getting around out in service, i heard she was ill so i called her and this morning she came by my office and we started to talk, her kids have all moved away and she's lonely, going out in service is hard for her but she tries her best to get out there, she asked me if i would consider a study with her and i said yes.

  i miss her terribly, she's the closest thing i've had to a grandmother and i adore her, also i'd rather she be with me indoors instead of walking around house to house when her legs give her so much trouble.

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  Ultimate Reality

  What is so sad about this, is that the very community of JW's that she wants to bring you into is doing nothing for her -- nothing of practical value. Instead, she can only feel good about herself and ease her loneliness by spending time studying with you, and "counting her time".

  Where is the love in the spiritual paradise?
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  True Religion vs. False Religion and James 1:27

  by Ultimate Reality in

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  2. bible

  something that opened my eyes as i was re-examining "the truth" was the verse at james 1:27. in the new world translation the greek word in this verse, threskeia, is translated worship, which is fine except that it hides a more important meaning.

  this same word can be, and most often is translated religion.. for witnesses, the matter of being the "one true religion" is all important.

  pure and undefiled religion before god and the father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, to keep oneself unspotted from the world.. english revised version.

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  Quietly Leaving:

  I think the confusion here comes from the concept and word church or congregation. To understand these we have to look at this in the First Century context because religions have hijacked these words for their own justification.

  Simply put, the church or congregation are people. In this case, the Christian believers in their various locations.

  Obviously, true followers of Christ, individually and as a community would engage in the acts James mentions. They would also gather together and pool resources where needed, this would be normal of any people who have something important in common.

  My point is that true religion and true Christianity are really exercised personally, by our own actions. It is not a hierarchical religious institution or organization with 9 men determining religious law, claiming that have been chosen by God to lead us (or anything similar).
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  True Religion vs. False Religion and James 1:27

  by Ultimate Reality in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  something that opened my eyes as i was re-examining "the truth" was the verse at james 1:27. in the new world translation the greek word in this verse, threskeia, is translated worship, which is fine except that it hides a more important meaning.

  this same word can be, and most often is translated religion.. for witnesses, the matter of being the "one true religion" is all important.

  pure and undefiled religion before god and the father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, to keep oneself unspotted from the world.. english revised version.

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  Ultimate Reality

  Something that opened my eyes as I was re-examining "the truth" was the verse at James 1:27. In the New World Translation the greek word in this verse, threskeia, is translated worship, which is fine except that it hides a more important meaning. This same word can be, and most often is translated religion.

  For Witnesses, the matter of being the "one true religion" is all important. You are taught that it is vital for survival to identify the true religion and attach yourself to it. But this concept of there being an organized institution that has been selected by God is, under the Christian system, fundamentally flawed. For we need not look externally, but internally.

  We see from James' statement below (from a variety of translations) that true religion is not institutional, it's personal. For the activities James mentions come from our own heart-felt desire to do good for others and to live according to bible principles -- scripturally, that is the "true religion".

  I have, with some success, been able to share this point with others to help them see beyond the concepts that so many of us have been indoctrinated with; perhaps it will help someone you know.

  JAMES 1:27...

  International Standard Version (©2008)
  A religion that is pure and stainless according to God the Father is this: to take care of orphans and widows who are suffering, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

  New American Standard Bible (©1995)
  Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

  GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
  Pure, unstained religion, according to God our Father, is to take care of orphans and widows when they suffer and to remain uncorrupted by this world.

  King James Bible
  Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

  American King James Version
  Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

  American Standard Version
  Pure religion and undefiled before our God and Father is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.

  Bible in Basic English
  The religion which is holy and free from evil in the eyes of our God and Father is this: to take care of children who have no fathers and of widows who are in trouble, and to keep oneself untouched by the world.

  Douay-Rheims Bible
  Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.

  Darby Bible Translation
  Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, to keep oneself unspotted from the world.

  English Revised Version
  Pure religion and undefiled before our God and Father is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

  Webster's Bible Translation
  Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

  Weymouth New Testament
  The religious service which is pure and stainless in the sight of our God and Father is to visit fatherless children and widowed women in their time of trouble, and to keep one's own self unspotted from the world.

  World English Bible
  Pure religion and undefiled before our God and Father is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

  Young's Literal Translation
  religion pure and undefiled with the God and Father is this, to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation -- unspotted to keep himself from the world.
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  Some Apostles Still Alive Today?

  by sacolton in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  matthew 16:28.

  "i tell you with certainty, some people standing here will not experience death before they see the son of man coming in his kingdom.".

  mark 9:1. then he said to them, "i tell you with certainty, some people standing here will not experience death until they see the kingdom of god arrive with power.".

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  Ultimate Reality

  Thanks to The Sage.

  Indeed, regardless of a person's faith in God or the Bible, these 1st century prophecies were due to be fulfilled in the 1st century.

  For those that do believe in the bible, you will see that just as Christ promised, the events described in Matthew the 24th chapter were fulfilled. There is no future re-fulfillment of these events -- no secondary, larger fulfillment as the WTS describes it.

  The idea that these events are just on the horizon for us, in modern times, is a religious ploy. To make us fear the future and align ourselves with the "religious authority" that "watches" and "warns" us that the end is around the corner.

  The "end" came as promised for the Jewish system of things, the temple, and the Mosaic economy in 70CE.

  If you want to know what bible prophecies have yet to be fulfilled, look to Revelation 20:7 and beyond.

  Again, a person may or may not have faith in these things. Regardless, it is organized religion that is dependent on the mis-interpretation and incorrect timing of bible prophecies (including the incorrect dating of Revelation to 96CE). Such mis-interpretation allows the religious leaders to control the masses -- including the rank and file Witnesses.